Circa 1736 1815 Chief John Joseph Vann 1736 1815 Kansas. There were some Cherokee slaves that were taken to Mexico, however, she makes vivid references to Seminole leaders John Horse, and Wild Cat. Born on February 11, 1789, he was also a planter, and businessman who owned slaves, and steamboats among others. There was Mr. Jim Collins, and Mr. Bell, and Mr. Dave Franklin, and Mr. Jim Sutton and Mr. Blackburn that lived around close to us and dey all had slaves. Sometimes us children would try to follow her, but she'd turn us around pretty quick and chase us back with: "Go on back to the house or the wolves get you.". Sometimes Joe bring other wife to visit Missus Jennie. The Vanns were a prolific family who reused many names, so later in life he was referred to as "Rich Joe." He was one of eight children born to his father's nine wives. When he get home he call my uncle and ask about what we done all day and tell him what we better do de next day. Had to sign up all over again and tell who we was. He would start at de crack of daylight and not git home till way after dark. There was a big dinner bell in the yard. But we couldn't learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. Sometimes they fish in the Illinois river, sometimes in the Grand, but they always fish the same way. Some officers stayed in de house for a while and tore everything up or took it off. Some of the old chief's names was Gopher John, John Hawk and Wild Cat. They'd cut brush saplings, walk out into the stream ahead of the pen and chase the fish down to the riffle where they'd pick em up. I sure did love her. Unfortunately, this building was later destroyed during the American Civil War. Christmas morning marster and missus come out on the porch and all the colored folks gather around. No fusses, no bad words, no nothin like that. Old Master and Mistress kept on asking me did de night riders persecute me any but dey never did. When I left Mrs. McGee's I worked about three years for Mr. Sterling Scott and Mr. Roddy Reese. Everything was cheap. He would sing for us, and I'd like to hear them old songs again! Dat was de time dat was the hardest and everything was dark and confusion. When the war come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. Below New Albany, the vessel blew up when one or more boilers blew up, killing the majority of the passengers and among them the owner and captain. They didn't go away, they stayed, but they tell us colored folks to go if we wanted to. Everybody was happy. The following slave narratives all mention the Vanns. The people conducting the interviews from 1936-1938 were instructed to write the material gleaned from the interviews as closely as possible to the speech patterns of the former slaves they interviewed. The beautiful brick house was surrounded by kitchens, slave quarters and mills, with apple and peach orchards covering the adjacent hills. Bahnen der Stadt Monheim GmbH. Some niggers say my pappy kept hollering, Rum it to the bank! My father he say, "Now chillun, don't get smart; you just be still and listen, rich folks tryin tell us something" They come and call you, say so much money buried, tell you where it is, say it's yours, you come and get it. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobdy ever lacked for nothing. They are one of five tribes known as the Five Civilized Tribes. John Joseph Vann B: 1730 Scotland, M: Wai-Li Princess of Cherokee - 1763,D: 1780 Tennessee, shot by son James (Chief Crazy James) John Vann. He had black eyes and mustache but his hair was iron gray, and everybody like him because he was so good natured and kind. Of course, all slaves were officially freed during the Civil War. It was Dont Call the Roll, Jesus, Because Im Coming Home. The only song I remember from the soldiers was: Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree, and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. McFadden, Marguerite, "The Saga of 'Rich Joe' Vann", Chronicles of Oklahoma, Vol. My mother died when I'se small and my father married Delia Vann. We had out time to go to bed and our time to get up in the morning. Biography. We put all the bed clothes on its back. He wouldn' take us way off, but just for a ride. He tell us for we start, what we must say and what to do. A town was laid out on his Hamilton Country farm which was called, Vanntown. Although he was born after slavery had ended, Nave's remembrances of what his father had told him about slavery days include some interesting details. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." My mother, grandmother, aunt Maria and cousin Clara, all worked in the big house. After it was wove they dyed it all colors, blue, brown, purple, red, yellow. They'd sell 'em to folks at picnics and barbecues. Then the preacher put you under water three times. There'd be a whole wagon-load of things come and be put on the tree. I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. The master had a bell to ring every morning at four o'clock for the folks to turn out. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. Chief Joseph, the Younger (1840 - geni family tree An indomitable voice of conscience for the West, in September 1904, still in exile from his homeland, Chief Joseph died, according to his doctor, "of a broken heart". He was the father of Nancy Vann Mackey; and Delilah Amelia, wife of Oliver H. Perry Brewer (Brewer cemetery). Vann and several other Cherokees faced eviction during the US government's Indian Removal policy. There was great big wooden scaffolds. Those included in this collection all mention the Vanns. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. Born 11 February 1798 - Spring Place, Cherokee Nation-East, IT., GA. Deceased 23 October 1844 - Aboard the Lucy Walker,aged 46 years old Parents James Vann, Chief 1809 Nancy Ann Timberlake Brown 1780-1850 Spouses and children Married, Georgia., USA, to Elizabeth Catherine Rowe 1798- with Living Vann Clarinda Rebecca Vann ca 1817- Delia Vann 1834- He sure stood good with de Cherokee neighbors we had, and dey all liked him. Marr. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Masters place and all the Negroes mighty scared, but he didnt sell my pappy off. You see, I'se one of them sudden cases. The place was all woods, and the Cherokees and the soldiers all come down to see the baptising. He went clean to Louisville, Kentucky and back. I had a silver dine on it, too, for a long time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. She dye with copperas and walnut and wild indigo and things like dat and made pretty cloth. Thompson, mixed blood Cherokee Indian, but before that pappy had been owned by three different master; one was the Rich Joe Vann who lived down at Webber Falls and another was Chief Lowery of the Cherokees. McLoughlin, William, Cherokee Renascence in the New Republic, Princeton University Press, (1986), ISBN 0691047413. Old Mistress had a good cookin stove, but most Cherokees had only a big fireplace and pot hooks. He was a traveler, didn't stay home much. Olia Lee Clifton, 91, passed . "Rich Joe" owned a large plantation on the Tennessee River near the mouth of the Ooltewah Creek. He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. Section 1 is called "Vann Ancestry and Early History" and will include only John Vann's ancestry up to his generation. After supper the colored folks would get together and talk, and sing, and dance. Uncle Joe tell us all to lay low and work hard and nobody'd bother us and he would look after us. I dont know about Robert Lee, but I know about Lees Creek. Joseph jenkins funeral home obituaries. When night came we cut grass and put the bed clothes on top for a bed. Yes Lord, it was, havy mercy on me yes. The slave cabins was in a row, and we lived in one of them. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. I had a brother named Harry who belonged to the Vann family at Tahlequah. Well, I'll tell you, you pull it out from the wall something like a shelf. If somebody bad sick he git de doctor right quick, and he don't let no negroes mess around wid no poultices and teas and sech things, like cupping-horns neither! Clarinda Vann and my aunt Maria turned the keys to the vault and commissary. Everybody had a good time. Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years age, right on this porch. Everybody had a good time. They had a big big plantation down by the river and they was rich. She holler, "Easter, you go right now and make dat big buck of a boy some britches!". When de War come old Master seen he was going into trouble and he sold off most of de slaves. We never had no church in slavery, and no schooling, and you had better not be caught wid a book in your hand even, so I never did go to church hardly any. Sometime Young Master Joe and the other boys give me a piece of money and say I worked for it, and I reckon I did for I have to cook five or six times a day. When father was young he would go hunting the fox with his master, and fishing in the streams for the big fish. Chief Vann House Historic Site 22.44 KMs away from Cohutta Wilderness The Chief Vann House Historic Site is a 19th century plantation house that has been carefully restored to its original grandeur. I don't know what he done after that. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. They wasnt very big either, but one day two Cherokees rode up and talked a long time, then young Master came to the cabin and said they were sold because mammy couldnt make them mind him. Single girls waited on the tables in the big house. Hams cakes, pies, dresses, beads, everything. When the Indians decided to return home for reinforcements, the slaves started moving again toward Mexico. They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. Us slaves lived in log cabins dat only had one room and no windows so we kept de doors open most of de time. Rich Joe Vann died in Oct. 1844 when the boiler exploded on his steamboat, the "Lucy Walker" during a race with another vessel near New Albany, Ind. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. Cremation arrangements under the care of Jenkins Funeral Home, Burnet, Texas. One year later my sister Phyllis was born on the same place and we been together pretty much of the time ever since, and I reckon dere's only one thing that could separate us slave born children. It look lots of clothes for all them slaves. The Vanns later relocated to Indian Territory, present-day Oklahoma. Next came the carpenters, yard men, blacksmiths, race-horse men, steamboat men and like that. I dont know, but that was before my time. He builds the large brick mansion house at Spring Place, Murray Country, Georgia, which stands today as a monument at its owner. But later on I got a freedman's allotment up in dat part close to Coffeyville, and I lived in Coffeyville a while but I didn't like it in Kansas. To get better results, add more information such as Birth Info, Death Info and Locationeven a guess will help. The young, single girls lived with the old folks in another big long house. Mammy went to a mean old man named Pepper Goodman and he took her off down de river, and pretty soon Mistress tell me she died cause she can't stand de rough treatment. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. This was before the war. He related an unpleasant encounter with "Little Joe" Vann, son of "Rich Joe" Vann. Yes, Lord Yes. Up at five o'clock and back in sometimes about de middle of de evening long before sundown, unless they was a crop to git in before it rain or something like dat. He made a deal with Dave Mounts, a white man, who was moving into the Indian country to drive for him. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. Pappy worked around the farms and fiddled for the Cherokee dances. Then one day one of my uncles name Wash Sheppard come and tried to git me to go live wid him. Seem like it take a powerful lot of fighting to rid the country of them Rebs. We had a smoke house full of hams and bacon. Sometimes she pull my hair. Mistress say old Master and my pappy on the boat somewhere close to Louisville and the boiler bust and tear the boat up. I thought it was mighty big and fine. In slavery time the Cherokee Negroes do like anybody else when they is a death, jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. We went down to the river for baptizings. Born in Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States on 11 Feb 1765 to John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann and WahLi Wa-Wli aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan. She was weavin when the case came up so quick, missus Jennie put her in her own bed and took care of her. When the war broke out, lots of Indians mustered up and went out of the territory. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. Mammy got a wagon and we traveled around a few days to go to Fort Gibson. I dunno her other name. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Fall.s Don't know where the other one lived. I got my allotment as a Cherokee Freedman, and so did Cal, but we lived here at this place because we was too old to work the land ourselves. Dey didn't let us have much enjoyment. Husband of Polly Vann and Jennie Vann De furniture is all gone, and some said de soldiers burned it up for firewood. Master Thompson brought us from Texas when I was too little to remember about it, and I din't know how long it was before we was all sold to John Harnage, "Marse John" was his pet name and he liked to be called that-a-way. My missus name was Doublehead before she married Jim Vann. I sure did love her. He never come until the next day, so dey had to sleep in dat pen in a pile like hogs. It had no windows, but it had a wood floor that was kept clean with plenty of brushings, and a fireplace where mammy'd cook the turnip greens and peas and corn--I still likes the cornbread with fingerprints baked on it like in the old days when it was cooked on a skillet over the hot wood ashes. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and cant' stay there lessn we want to go on working for him just like we'd been for our feed, an clothes. We had a good song I remember. He was a Native American Cherokee leader, businessman, slave owner, and planter. It is located at the intersection of U.S. Highway 76 and Georgia 225 in Murray County, on the outskirts of Chatsworth in northwest Georgia. When meal time come, someone ring that bell and all the slaves know its time to eat and stop their work. Den old Master get three wagons and ox teams and take us all way down on Red River in de Choctaw Nation. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptized, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways to keep me from having the nose bleed. I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I aint had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. Yes, my dear Lord yes. A bunch of us who was part Indian and part colored, we got our bed clothes together some hams and a lot of coffee and flour and started to Mexico. We had to get up early and comb our hair first thing. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." Lord yes, su-er. But we couldnt learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters and figgers because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. Maybe old Master Joe Vann was harder. Dey tole me some of dem was bad on negroes but I never did see none of dem night riding like some say dey did. Then I had clean ward clothes and I had to keep them clean, too! Then he hide in the bushes along the creek and got away. I don't know how old I is; some folks ay I'se ninety-two and some say I must be a hundred. The second time I married a cousin, Rela Brewer. Pappy is buried in the church yard on Four Mile Branch. I eat from a big pan set on the floor---there was no chairs--and I slept in a trundle bed that was pushed under the big bed in the daytime. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. That mean't she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. He come to our house and Mistress said for us Negroes to give him something to eat and we did. Master Joe was sure a good provider, and we always had plenty of corn pone, sow belly and greens, sweet potatoes, cowpeas and cane molasses. Bus operators. I go to this house, you come to my house. In 1840 the town of Harrison was developed on an adjoining property, and the county seat of Hamilton County was moved south to the Tennessee River to this location. Someone maybe would be playing a fiddle or a banjo. His master Daniel Nave, was Cherokee. Chief James Clement Vann married Mary Margaret "Peggy" Scott and had 14 children. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. It's on records somewhere; old Seneca Chism and his family. When the War come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. He moved his family to this location and resided there two or three years, until he could establish himself in the west. The following oral history narrative is from the The WPA Oklahoma Slave Narratives in the Library of Congress, edited by T. Lindsay Baker, Julie Philips Baker: Yes Sa. While attending the American Board college in Cornwall, Connecticut, he met and married Harriet Gold. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. Once they catch a catfish most as big as a man; that fish had eggs big as hen eggs, and he made a feast for twenty-five Indians on the fishing party. Nearly a century later (in 1932), Joseph Vann's grandson, R. P. Vann, told author Grant Foreman that Joseph Vann had built a house about a mile south of Webbers Falls (Oklahoma) "a handsome homebuilt just like the old Joe Vann home in Georgia." This valuable property became a prize for the white man when the laws of Georgia were extended over the Cherokee Nation. Joseph Vann, son of Chief Joseph Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, married first, Jennie Springton, born December 23, 1804, died August 4, 1863. Upon being brought to Fort Gibson, five slaves were held to stand trial for murdering the two bounty hunters. Had sacks and sacks of money. It was "Don't Call the Roll, Jesus Because I'm Coming Home." And dishes, they had rows and rows of china dishes; big blue platters that would hold a whole turkey. 29 November 2015. http://www.accessgenealogy.com/black-genealogy/slave-narrative-of-b - Last updated on Aug 24th, 2012, VANN SLAVES REMEMBER 2003 By Herman McDaniel Murray County Museum. I know he is right, too. Robin Vann and Unknown 14 year old in 1809 Vann less. During the hearing, former Governor Joseph Brown warned Slaton, "In all frankness, if Your Excellency wishes to invoke lynch law in Georgia and destroy trial by jury, the way to do it is by retrying this case and reversing all the courts."[154][155][n 16][n 17] According to Tom Watson's biographer, C. Vann Woodward, "While the hearings of the . woodland hills market owner; warframe norg brain without bait; firefighter class a uniform pin placement. The fugitive slaves killed the two bounty hunters and the slaves they had been returning joined those attempting to reach Mexico. My grandmother Clarinda Vann, bossed the kitchen and the washing and turned the key to the big bank. Elizabeth Scott; parents of Delilah Vann; married Nancy Brown; parents of Mary b. But de Big House ain't hurt cepting it need a new roof. on the Ohio River. This is a reconstruction of the non-Indian immediate relatives of Chief James Vann, based on the solid evidence of Cherokee sources (especially the Moravian Diaries at Spring Place,GA 1800-1836), plus confirming information obtained from postings on the Vann Family Forum: We left de furniture and only took grub and tools and bedding and clothes, cause they wasn't very big wagons and was only single-yoke. Christmas morning marster and missus come out on the porch and all the colored folks gather around. It look lots of clothes for all them slaves. She had some land close to Catoosa and some down on Greenleaf Creek. My pappy run away one time, four or five years before I was born, mammy tell me, and at that time a whole lot of Cherokee slaves run off at once. Records may include photos, original documents, family history, relatives, specific dates, locations and full names. The participants in this near slave revolt received physical punishments, but none were killed. Pappa named Charley Nave; mamma's name was Mary Vann before she marry and her papa was Talaka Vann, one of Joe Vann's slave down around Webber's Falls. By and by I married Nancy Holdebrand what lived on Greenleaf Creek, bout four miles northwest of Gore. Now I'se just old forgotten woman. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. Seneca Chism was my father. Deutsche Bahn Regional. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and cant stay there lessn we want to go on working for him just like wed been, for our feed and clothes. It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. My pappy was a kind of a boss of the Negroes that run the boat, and they all belong to old Master Joe. The last one was named for Hubbard Ross; he was related to Chief John Ross and was some kin to Daniel Nave, my father's master. He didn't tell us children much about the War, except he said one time that he was in the Battle of Honey Springs in 1863 down near Elk Creek south of Fort Gibson. When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptized. Train operators. Then the preacher put you under water three times. Like the Ph.D. and the Christmas tree, as Tony Weir has pointed out, the Festschrift is a German import.2 The literal . 1800. In de second year of de War he sold my mammy and my aunt dat was Uncle Joe's wife and my two brothers and my little sister. is anything else your are looking? He got that message to the captain just the same. He was called by his contemporaries "Rich Joe" and many legends of his wealth ware still told among the Cherokees. He wanted people to know he was able to dress his slaves in fine clothes. Poeple all a visitin'. Dey was for bad winter only. He sold one of my brothers, and one sister because they kept running off. In one month you have to get back. but it sunk and him and old Master died. Chief Joseph H. Vann was a prominent Cherokee leader in Georgia. I got all my money and fine clothes from the marster and the missus. When they wanted something put away they say, "Clarinda, come put this in the vault." People just go and help themselves, till they couldn't eat no mo! Courtesy of Atlanta History Center. Some of us had money. Web. Maybe old Master Joe Vann was harder, I don't know, but that was before my time. He jest kept him and he was a good Negro after that. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. He was a slave on the Chism plantation, but came to Vann's all the time on account of the horses. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. The grandparents were Joseph Vann, a Scottish trader who came from the Province of South Carolina, and Cherokee Mary Christiana (Wah-Li or Wa-wli Vann). On October 23, 1844, the steamboat Lucy Walker departed Louisville, Kentucky, bound for New Orleans. Someone call our names and everybody get a present. Geni requires JavaScript! The other tribes were the Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole.. Vann's father, James . I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. Dere was a sister named Patsy; she died at Wagoner, Oklahoma. The grandson reported that the Vann Family lived in that house until "the War," when some 3,000 federal troops descended upon Webbers Falls. Our marshal made us all sign up like this; who are you, where you come from, where you go to. His pappy was old Captain "Rich Joe" Vann, and he had been dead ever since long before de War. Yes I was! He worked in the gold mines. Edit your search or learn more Sometimes she pull my hair. When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. Smoeone call our names and everybody get a present. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. His father John Joseph VANN is about 48 years old in 1779 - estimations) Sept. 27 1793 - Daniel SMITH Letter to Henry KNOX. They taken some of their slaves with them. Black Hock was awful attached to the kitchen. The most terrible thing that ever happen was when the Lucy Walker busted and Joe got blew up. Father of Nancy Vann; David Vann; Sallie Blackburn Vore; William Vann; Sophia S. Johnson and 9 others; Charles J. Vann; Delilah Amelia Brewer; Joseph W. 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